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2018 Day 5 - Nottingham Forest

We continue with the Tricky Trees from the Trent, Nottingham Forest

Played: 111 (90 league, 16FAC, 5LC)
Won: 51 (43 league, 6FAC, 2LC)
Drawn: 27 (20 league, 6 FAC, 1LC)
Lost: 33 (27 league, 4FAC, 2LC)

Other: (A Zenith Data Systems Cup tie in 1990/91 at the City Ground)

Full record v Forest:

  P W D L F A
SJP 45 26 9 10 91 48
CG/TB 45 17 11 17 49 54
League 90 43 20 27 140 102
SJP(FA)* 9 4 3 2 19 13
CG/GP 7 2 3 2 5 9
SJP(LC) 2 1 0 1 5 3
CG 3 1 1 1 6 7
CG(ZDS) 1 0 0 1 1 2
Cup 21 8 7 6 35 32
Tot 111 51 27 33 175 134


Trent Bridge 1
Meadow Lane 1
SJP 56
City Ground 51
Goodison Park 2

Most common scores:

Won: 2-0 (nine times)
0-0 and 1-1 (both eleven times)
0-1, 0-2 and 1-2 (all seven times)
Neither side has hit more than five against each other and Forest have only done that once.


lost: United failed to beat Forest seven times between Jan 1975 and Feb 1986.
won: Newcastle won six in a row between Dec 1904 and Jan 1908 which included an FA Cup win on Tyneside. The unbeaten run was stretched to nine game before Forest won 2-1 at Gallowgate in Sep 1909.


NFFC league doubles over NUFC: 4 (1898/99, 1902/03, 1958/59, 1977/78)
NUFC league doubles over NFFC: 8 (1901/02, 1904/05, 1910/11, 1922/23, 1935/36, 1936/37, 1946/47, 1998/99)

Most games in a season: 4 (1984/85)

Longest gap between games: March 1999 to October 2009

First: Saturday 12th November 1898 Nottingham Forest 2 Newcastle 0 (First Division)
"Notts Forest inflicted another blow on Newcastle United, whose forwards seem to be woefully incompetent when engaged away from home." (Manchester Courier)

Wednesday 29th August 2018 Nottingham Forest 3 Newcastle 1 (League Cup)
"Collectively though, United failed to make an impact, this game more like a friendly for the most part and with Newcastle's lack of intensity verging on indifference." (

Sunday 11th May 1997 Newcastle 5 Nottingham Forest 0 (Premier League)
"It was a joyous moment. Real, exultant joy. Not the smug, arrogant self-congratulation of Taggart and his Old Trafford glory-seekers. This was the genuine ecstatic celebration of unexpected victory. Hard-earned success after so many disappointments. If we ever win something...."(

Saturday 25th August 1934 Nottingham Forest 5 Newcastle 1 (Division Two)
"Offside tactics in defence are long since obsolete; Newcastle were the pioneers in a mode of defence they must now forget, and forget quickly." (Nottingham Journal)

NUFC v NFFC gallery:

December 1900: a 2-1 away victory for the Magpies

January 1985: A 1-1 draw at the City Ground in the FA Cup

August 1987: a 0-1 home loss

February 1991 - beaten 0-3 at the City Ground in an FA Cup replay

July 2002 - a pre-season friendly at the City Ground ends in a 1-3 loss

December 2016: Dwight Gayle puts United 2-1 up in the Championship

NUFC v NFFC - moment in history:

March 21st 1974: Mac finally fells Forest

March 1974 and five FA Cup fixtures had brought Joe Harvey's Newcastle side to the Sixth Round stage and a home meeting with Nottingham Forest. That would famously include a pitch invasion, helping turn a 1-3 deficit into a 4-3 win that was then annulled by the FA after Forest protested.

The two sides met at the neutral venue of Goodison Park nine days after the "riot" game, with 40,685 fans seeing a scoreless draw during which United hit the goal frame three times.

Forest protested that they should host it, but it was scheduled for 72 hours later at the same neutral venue on Merseyside.
This time a semi-final spot against Burnley was secured by a typical Malcolm Macdonald strike in the first half (pictured above) in front of 31,373 spectators.

There was controversy, though, when referee David Smith ordered a Forest free-kick to be retaken with the score at 0-0. The first effort had found the net but Smith ordered the retake for Paul Richardson's ungentlemanly conduct in stepping over the ball and laying it into Ian Bowyer's path.

PS: Although the first tie was annulled, the sending off of Newcastle's Pat Howard remained in the records and he served a three match ban that began with the victory at Goodison Park.

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