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2018 Day 8 - Derby County




Remaining in the East Midlands, we turn our attentions to Derby County.

Played: 123 (112 league, 10FAC, 1LC)
Won: 52 (47 league, 4FAC, 1LC)
Drawn: 33 (29 league, 4FAC)
Lost: 38 (36 league, 2FAC)

Other: (Two Texaco Cup ties in 1971/72: one at SJP, one at the Baseball Ground)

Full record v Derby:

  P W D L F A
SJP 56 28 15 13 90 58
BG/PP 56 19 14 23 74 80
League 112 47 29 36 164 138
SJP(FA) 5 4 1 0 15 6
BG 5 0 3 2 6 11
SJP(LC) 0 0 0 0 0 0
BG/PP 1 1 0 0 1 0
Cup 11 5 4 2 22 17
Tot 123 52 33 38 186 155

Venues:

SJP:
61
BBG:
52
Pride Park:
9
Burnden Park:
1

Most common scores:

Won: 2-1 (twelve times - 6H, 6A)
Drawn: 1-1 (twelve times - 3H, 9A)
Lost: 0-1 (eleven times - 6H, 5A)
Oddity:
Only one 3-3 draw in 123 games - coming at St. James' Park in March 1932 when all the goals were scored in the second half. United came back from 0-2 and 1-3 to claim a point with two late goals.

When County were relegated from the Premier League in 2007/08 with just eleven points, four of those were gained against Newcastle - Kenny Miller scored the only goal at Pride Park while it finished 2-2 at St. James', Mark Viduka scoring twice for United with his second three minutes from time.

Streaks:

Between 1933 and 1969, Newcastle enjoyed a 20 game unbeaten run against the Rams.
Between 1912 and 1920, Derby enjoyed a 7 game unbeaten run against the Magpies.

Doubles:

DCFC league doubles over NUFC: 8 (1901/02, 1905/06, 1912/13, 1929/30, 1969/70, 1973/74, 1980/81, 1988/89).
NUFC league doubles over DCFC: 12 (1928/29, 1948/49, 1950/51, 1951/52, 1952/53, 1961/62, 1963/64, 1970/71, 1996/97, 1998/99, 2001/02, 2016/17).

Most games in a season: 4 (1905/06 and 1923/24)

Longest gap between games: March 1953 to April 1962

First: Saturday 26th November 1898 Derby County 3 Newcastle 1 (Division One)
"United were in a two goal minority at the interval, a score which did not represent the game as, with anything like capacity in the refereeing they should at least have been on level terms." (Newcastle Journal).

Last:
Saturday 4th February 2017 Newcastle 1 Derby County 0 (Championship)
"
A long way from the greatest 90 minutes we'll play this season, sharper opponents could well have brought this Geordie love-fest crashing around our ears. This was a victory by the narrowest of margins. But none of that mattered at full time, with a joint effort from those on and off the field seeing us over the line on what was a hugely enjoyable afternoon. (NUFC.com)

Best: Saturday 21st February 1931 Derby County 1 Newcastle 5 (Division One)
"A correspondent with a sense of humour has sent me the following note of a conversation allegedly heard at the Baseball Ground on Saturday: 
County player: 'give us a another ball ref'
Referee: "Why, what's the matter with this one?"
County player "Newcastle's playing with it!"

(Derby Daily Telegraph Sportsman's Log)

Worst: Mon 20th April 1992 Derby County 4 Newcastle 1 (Division Two)
"I wish I could help you but I honestly don't know. Only one man knows what it was all about and he is in there hiding. If you want to know anything else, you will have to wait for the referee. All of a sudden they seem to be the most important people in football. We are quite capable of winning our last two matches: you saw how we played with eight men. Think what can be achieved with 11."
(manager Kevin Keegan)

NUFC v DCFC gallery:


March 1911: Almost 60,000 inside SJP see the Rams beaten 4-0 in the FA Cup


November 1952: The Magpies win 1-0 at SJP in Division One


April 1972: A 1-0 victory for United at the BBG


August 1992: A 2-1 away victory for the Magpies - revenge!


April 2002: A 3-2 success for Newcastle at PP


December 2007: four goals shared at SJP in the PL

NUFC v Derby County - moment in history:


February 1924: Rams v Magpies, game one of four 

This rather murky photograph was taken on the first Saturday of February 1924 at the Baseball Ground, as visiting goalkeeper Sandy Mutch dashed off his line to deny Derby's Randolph Galloway.

An eventful FA Cup Second Round tie ended 2-2 after 90 minutes; Mutch saving a penalty when United were 1-0 ahead. The two sides met again at Gallowgate the following Wednesday, another 2-2 draw ensuing despite any additional 30 minutes of extra time being played.

Following a break for league action on Saturday (First Division Newcastle drew 1-1 at Huddersfield while the second tier Rams lost 0-1 at Bury), a third meeting of the two sides was staged at Bolton's Burnden Park on the Monday.

Again it finished 2-2 - United levelling in the final minute of added time - and a fourth staging of the tie was arranged for SJP 48 hours later, Derby unhappy that they hadn't automatically got the chance to host that tie or play at another neutral ground, losing out to Newcastle on a coin toss.

Newcastle finally prevailed 5-3 in front of their own supporters to claim a Third Round tie away to Watford - after four games in 12 days had brought 20 goals, played in front of a total attendance of 124,000 who paid a combined 9,113.

PS: Fast forward to January 1989 and this marathon was repeated by United against Watford - four ties over 12 days eventually ending with the Hornets progressing after 450 minutes of play. 

Subsequent rule changes to the competition meant that the days of endless replays were over.

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