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Season 2008-09
 Manchester United (a) Premier League
 
  Date: Sunday 17th August 2008, 4pm
Live on Sky

Venue:
 Old Trafford

Conditions: 
Sunny

Admission: £40 & 41

Programme:
£3
 

  

Manchester United

Newcastle United


 

1 - 1


(with last season's 3rd kit socks!)

Teams

Goals

22 mins Nicky Butt won a corner at the Stretford End, thanks to a deflection off Wes Brown. Danny Guthrie sent over a right-footed out-swinger that Martins leapt to meet unchallenged and head goalwards from five yards. Scholes was positioned on the line at the far post, but could do no more than deflect the ball into the back of the net 1-0.

24 mins With Steven Taylor still receiving treatment off the pitch following a clash in the lead up to Oba's goal, the home side promptly went upfield and levelled against the ten men. Fletcher found himself at the head of the attack, getting in front of Beye and N'Zogbia to meet a low Ryan Giggs cross from the left and steer it past Given. 1-1.

Half time: Man United 1 Newcastle 1

Full time: Man United 1 Newcastle 1

We Said

Kevin Keegan commented:

"
Whatever side Manchester United put out, they're a great side. 

"You can't carry anybody here. But if you put in a good performance and have a good attitude you just might get a result. That is what happened, and I thought we deserved the point.

 

"Of course you are going to have to ride your luck when you come to a place like this and we did, but no-one can say we got more than we deserved.

 

"Newcastle fans will go away saying how they witnessed a team playing for the supporters, playing for the badge, playing for the club - and that's what they deserve.

Too often in the recent past we have bought players who have not been quite good enough. They have either not settled or not understood what it means to play for Newcastle. You can't just say good players can play at Newcastle because history will prove they cannot.

"I don't think it has been a bad summer but then I have not been reading what has been written.  But in football at the moment, you don't want these things on your doorstep, at your club. It is nice to get a good result so it goes on to another club but I don't envy whoever it is.

Talking about central defence:

"They (Newcastle in previous seasons) have tried to get a few but for one reason or another it has not worked, but I think for the next five years that could be our central partnership.

“Coloccini has signed for five years and so has Steven, so everything is there. The signs are good from the first game, we hope they can build.”

"Taylor is a fantastic lad. He has a great attitude. A lot of players would come off after the knock he had at Old Trafford. Watch and learn from this guy (Coloccini) and he will help you’.

“And he will learn. If he does he will make the step up again from the Under-21s to where Coloccini is at full international level.

“He wants to learn, that is the key. Some young players don’t but he does. He has only trained with the players once but when you have played for Argentina for 20-odd games coming to Old Trafford won’t faze you.

“He has played in Brazil in front of bigger crowds this summer. I had no option because I lost Caçapa on Friday but I did not have any worries about it. I just told him to go out there and enjoy it and I think he did.

“He said afterwards it was very quick and he can normally get more passes through but I told him that was the Premier League. What he needs to learn, he will learn – very quickly.”

"We were without Owen and Viduka, who are key players for us, but there were two very committed teams. If my team can handle that on the first day of the Premier League why should they fear anyone else?

“The fitness coaches have got them really fit so I wasn’t worried about us lasting 90 minutes. The good thing was that players who got knocks did not want to come off. Steve Taylor got one and  Duff and one or two others. That tells you all you need to know about the desire within the squad. We are not a big squad but we are trying 100%.”

In the build-up to the season opener, KK had spoken to reporters as follows:

When asked about how things have panned out since the meeting with Ashley & Co. in London at the end of last season:

"
I think we are a long way from there now. We all understand our roles. We all understand what each other briefs are and what each of us brings to the club, and that is a good thing. That's 100 per cent. Six or seven guys in a room talking about football, you are never ever going to agree on everything, but the important thing is when we don't agree, it stays in the room.

“We are very much united as far as I am concerned. I am sure if you ask Dennis Wise, Tony Jimenez, Jeff Vetere, Mike Ashley and Derek Llambias they would say the same thing, because that is the truth. We are really looking to do the right things. I do not think we have ever been closer than we are now.

“The owner has come out and said in his own words how he sees the club and where he is with the club and that was a good thing to do because it stopped all this talk of ‘well, he is thinking of selling’. 

"What he’s saying - and I agree with him wholeheartedly – is that if we could get two or three more people like him on board, we could do this quicker. We could get where we want to be, with the finances we could get, and try and get this club back in that top four. That is the aim of everyone. Clubs used to try and win the title, now it’s about trying to get in the top four.

Asked whether his current optimism mirrored how he felt when he returned to the club to manage in 1992:

“If anything it’s greater. In those days, we knew we were building a team we would have to dismantle again. Now, with the sort of players we are getting in, you know there is not a risk to them.

“At that time, when we were starting off in the very early days here, we knew we were buying players that, if we got up, would probably have to leave the club at some stage. It was a different thing. It was very, very exciting, don’t get me wrong, but I think we are back at that stage now. It’s like we’ve just come up, as far as I am concerned. 

What is the difference between then and now? We could short cut the journey in those days because the gulf between the clubs was not so big. Now we have to be realistic and say ‘this is stage one’.

“People who have not been associated with the club for very long, the likes of Danny Guthrie and Fabricio, players who do not know the club and have got to learn about it, were astounded (by 12,000 fans turning up for training)".

"But when you have been here like I have, you know the problems at this football club have never been the crowd, never been the passion of the people and the support of the club in the city. That has always been there through thick and thin, thin and thinner. It does not surprise me – although it always knocks you back - because this is Newcastle. The fans are top-rate and my job is to get a team that eventually matches them. It is a tough ask and we still have some way to go.”

On Milner:

"He's the last player that Newcastle United will want to sell and I'm taking about the owner and myself. James won't be leaving here - I'm sure of that."

On Smith: 

"I don't want to lose Alan Smith either. Alan's great round the place - everyone's got different opinions on how players have done at clubs. 

"Alan needs a goal at Newcastle United so that people don't keeper saying he's gone so many games without scoring. 

"Involved in all that you've got to be honest and say how many times he's played as an out and out striker he's played midfield, right side, centre, left.

"He's a fantastic member of our squad and I don't want to lose Alan either."

On departures:

"It looks like Abdoulaye Faye is going to Stoke and Shola Ameobi has been given permission to speak to Ipswich Town.

"But that's the end of players going out, and if those deals do happen, there will be some more players coming in."

On Coloccini:

"I'm delighted to have him - he's my type of defender. He doesn't just defend, he's very comfortable in possession of a football as well. You got a double bonus - good defender and can use the ball.

"I think that's what the modern game requires and that's what Fabricio has got." 

On Barton (and news of civil action -see below):

"As long as Joey keeps on the straight and narrow now, since I've been at this football club he's been an absolute model professional.

"I think - and the club think - that he deserves another chance - call it last chance if you want, but he deserves this chance and the rest is up to him."

They said


Fergie said: 

"We played well in the first half, and their goalkeeper made several good saves to keep them in the match.

"Our attacking play in the first half was good. But as soon as we lost Ryan Giggs to a hamstring injury and Michael Carrick with an ankle, which is swollen up badly - he'll be out for two to three weeks - we lost a bit of our experience in midfield.

"We ended up having to push Patrice Evra out to the left side of midfield - and he is obviously not our best attacking player, being a left-back.

"Newcastle were good on the counter-attack - and in Martins and Duff they have players with quality in these positions; if you don't stop them they can be dangerous.

"We had possession of the ball but didn't make it count at times - but in light of the people we had missing, it was a creditable result for us."

"Carlos Tevez will be back for Portsmouth, and Wayne Rooney is getting his fitness back.

"I am not discussing anyone else - I think we have a good squad, and that will be my strike force."
 

Stats


We began our 16th consecutive Premier League season by attempting to break a 36-year winless streak against the Reds at Old Trafford.

This was our 28th attempt in first team games since Feb 12th 1972 when goals from Tudor and Barrowclough gave us a 2-0 victory, witnessed by 44,983 one week after the Hereford disaster.

MUFC '72:
Stepney, O’Neil, Burns, Gowling, James, Sadler, Morgan, Kidd, Charlton, Law, Best.

NUFC '72:
McFaul, Craig, Clark, Gibb, Howard, Moncur, Barrowclough (Nattrass), Green, 
Macdonald, Tudor, Hibbitt. 
Since a win at OT (drawn 7, lost 21):
1972/73 lost 1-2 Nattrass
1973/74 lost 0-1
1975/76 lost 0-1
1976/77 lost 2-7 Burns, Nattrass (LC)
1976/77 lost 1-3 Nulty
1977/78 lost 2-3 Martin, Burns
1984/85 lost 0-5
1985/86 lost 0-3
1986/87 lost 1-4 D.Jackson
1987/88 drew 2-2 Mirandinha
1988/89 lost 0-2 (Mercantile)
1988/89 lost 0-2
1993/94 drew 1-1 Cole
1994/95 lost 0-2
1995/96 lost 0-2
1996/97 drew 0-0
1997/98 drew 1-1 Andersson
1998/99 drew 0-0
1999/00 lost 1-5 og (Berg)
2000/01 lost 0-2
2001/02 lost 1-3 Shearer
2002/03 lost 3-5 Bernard, Shearer, Bellamy
2003/04 drew 0-0
2004/05 lost 1-2 Ambrose
2005/06 lost 0-2
2006/07 lost 0-2
2007/08 lost 0-6
2008/09 drew 1-1 

Full record against Manchester United:
 
  P W D L F A
SJP 70 29 16 25 134 108
OT 71 9 19 43 76 159
League 141 38 35 68 210 267
SJP(FA) 1 0 0 1 2 3
OT/W/MS 3 0 0 3 1 7
SJP(LC) 1 1 0 0 2 0
OT 1 0 0 1 2 7
Cup 6 1 0 5 7 17
OT/W(CS) 2 0 0 2 2 8
Tot 147 39 35 73 217 284

 

We've conceded more goals (284) in league and cup (Charity Shield not included) against Manchester United than any other team. Other 200+ teams are:

Liverpool (267 - 157 games)
Aston Villa (236 - 147 games)
Arsenal (231 - 164 games)
Everton (226 - 154 games)
Tottenham (218 - 139 games)

Chelsea (215 - 144 games [incl. CS])
Man City (215 - 159 games)
mackems (205 - 139 games)

Teams we've scored 200+ against are: 
Man City (241 - 159 games)
Everton (232 - 154 games)
Aston Villa (231 - 147 games)
Arsenal (228 - 164 games)
Man United (217 - 147 games)
mackems (210 - 139 games)
Tottenham (209 - 139 games)
Blackburn (203 - 134 games)
Sheff Wed (201 - 125 games)

Obafemi Martins scored his 21st Premier League goal in a Newcastle shirt (28 in all competitions) - which was our 845th in the Premier League (330 away, 515 at home).

This was our first goal at OT in 355 minutes  - since a Darren Ambrose effort in April 2005.

Of the starting XI's named here in Jan 2008 we started with 6, the home side started with 7.  

MUFC: Van der Sar, O'Shea, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Ronaldo, Carrick, Anderson, Giggs, Rooney, Tevez. 

NUFC:
Given, Carr ,Taylor, Cacapa, Jose Enrique, Milner, Smith, Butt, N'Zogbia, Duff, Owen.

Richard Maxwell, Bob Gilmour meet Coloccini & interpreter  (thanks to James MacFarlane)

Danny Guthrie, Jonas Gutierrez and Fabricio Coloccini (pictured) made their competitive club debuts - bringing the current total of to have represented us in the Premier League to 143.

Other Magpies to have made their bow at Old Trafford during the Premier League era include: Giorgios Georgiadis (1998), Carl Cort & Daniel Cordone (2000) and Peter Ramage (2005).

Making their non-playing bow on the bench were Bassong and 17 year-old Academy striker Ryan Donaldson, as Newcastle named seven subs domestically for the first time, following a Premier League rule change.

PS: The absence of Michael Owen meant that he's failed to appear in our opening fixture in any of the four seasons he's been a Newcastle player: 

2005 transfer deal was completed after opening four games of the season

2006 recovering from injury sustained during European Championships
2007 lacking match fitness
2008 lacking match fitness
 

Waffle


Jumping for joy

The final fixture of the opening weekend attracted the largest congregation in the country and aside from a discordant enclave of black and white, the mood was one of expectancy.

True, Fergie's side had struggled in front of goal seven days previously against Pompey, but surely normal (Sunday) service would be resumed against an unproven Toon XI with plenty previous here - little of it memorable.

After a close-season of speculation, their Portuguese Prodigal Son was present - but only in a glum-faced spectating capacity. Meanwhile, the much-heralded arrival of new messiah Berbatov proved to be the work of false tabloid prophets, but a ring-rusty Rooney returned.

The appearance of Toon new boys Coloccini and Gutierrez ended any worries over registration or transfer discrepancies, but their fellow countryman Tevez was back in Argentina following a family bereavement, reducing Fergie's forward options still further.

Despite this, our best chance still appeared to be some sort divine intervention - but in the event it was to be something slightly more solid than a wing and a prayer that saw us through, on a day when those oh-so-witty "home" fans nailed it in their songs and displays.

The teams entered the arena to a mass display of red and white cards spelling out the phrase "more goals please", not the work of fans who saw their side notch over a century of strikes last season, but rather a Nike marketing wheeze - complete with attendant swoosh logos.

If that message was directed at the visiting side though, it worked.

And midway through the first half, Obafemi Martins had the Newcastle boss grinning - albeit briefly - as those "cheer up Kevin Keegan" chants proved to be prophetic. 

Our Nigerian striker had been missing here in January due to Nations Cup duty and only recently returned from Africa after suffering personal tragedy, but gave himself - and us - the perfect tonic with a first Toon goal here in four visits.

Not that it was totally undeserved: Shay Given may have been the busier of the two keepers (with one point-blank stop with his head), but Gutierrez had shown some forward promise and Coloccini seamlessly fitted into the back four as looked solid for once.

In typical fashion we restarted a man short and were almost instantly found wanting as the home side levelled amid "normal service resumed" cliches. But if it had been a case of "be careful what you wish for", that other truism "Pride cometh before a fall" wasn't too far away from becoming reality. 

Frustratingly for the Bobby Charlton Fan Club, those pesky Geordies just refused to revert to type and kept plugging away, reaching half time with Given alert and eager when required - and then coming out and doing it all over again.

Rather than invoking memories of the second half slaughter last time round, this Toon performance was reminiscent of our 1998 visit - when we fought from the front and Solksjaer walked for hauling over Robert Lee as he trundled towards goal with the scores at 1-1 and just seconds remaining.

There was to be no such defining moment today, aside from Martins placing a header over the crossbar when similarly left alone at a corner kick as he had been in the first half.

And at the other end Given was called into action again and watched as one effort struck his crossbar. But his triumphant post-match celebrations could be excused, having conceded six goals the last time he'd stood in front of the Stretford End for 45 minutes.

To be leaving the ground with a point thoughts of what if? given the lack of focus the increasingly ordinary home side showed in the second half once Giggs had joined Carrick in the Physio's room, it's tempting to say that we may never have a better chance of winning here.

What we did do though was deservedly take a point where one didn't look realistically achievable. And to do it with some play that was assured at times and grimly determined at others was a bonus, as well as seeing a trio of new recruits make an instant impact - Guthrie's effort and assist being worthy of note.

It's easy to play the "they were rubbish" game and downsize any praise due to Newcastle because of the limitations of the opposition XI. But for anybody tempted we've got three words to say - Derby County away. Remember that one? the only three points the Rams collected last season?

True, there were ragged moments here and KK needs a left back urgently if he's not convinced by Enrique - as Charlie Z there certainly isn't the answer. 

And while we can say that we've never seen a fitter Duff in a Newcastle shirt, that didn't stop us from cursing him on numerous occasions for his other shortcomings.

But groans and grumbles will have ample opportunity to be voiced in the coming months - let's at least wait until our now-traditional end of transfer window bran tub draw has been concluded.

It was pleasing also that our this trip over the M62 passed by without mention of a certain J.Barton - Stretford End lyricists obviously being otherwise engaged recently rhyming "Ronaldo" with "don't go" on a tune from a Stone Roses "B" side.

It's hard to recall one result altering the mood so markedly and for us to be referencing the opening day false dawn duckshoot that was Bolton 2007 denotes some type of progress.

Let's recall though the last time that the Trotters came to SJP, they were party poopers at what was meant to be Kevin Keegan's grand homecoming jamboree. No, take satisfaction from this point, from shutting up legions of slackjaws and from the promise of things to come - and leave it at that.

How can anyone accuse of being greedy and over-demanding, when the best thing we thought that would happen to us this week would be selling Shola?

Biffa
 

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